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Start at Part 1.
[SOL returns with Tom and Crow doing something on the computer. Mike
comes in.]
MIKE: Watcha doing, guys?
CROW: We're looking for something. Just trying to find out about "Enter the
Dragon."
MIKE: You didn't believe him, did you?
TOM: Of course not. That's why we're looking. To prove him wrong.
MIKE: Just _where_ are you looking?
CROW: The Internet Movie Database.
MIKE: How did you get there?
TOM: Dr. F. has a permanent link set up.
CROW: Here we go. This only has the German release dates, but "Enter"
came out in Janurary '74, and "Return" came out in August '75.
MIKE: I don't know which programs P. R. (Phil) Houtz was watching, but it
obviously wasn't anywhere in this reality.
CROW: Hey, what's this list here? "Slackers", "Wax, Or A Discovery of
Television Amoung The Bees", "Vampire Hunter D.", "Dog Soldier: Shadows
Of The Past", "Night of the Lepus", "The Glass Jungle", "Waxwork II: Lost
in Time", "Pumaman", "Tobor", "Night of the Comet", "Frankenstein and the
Monster from Hell"?
MIKE: This must be a list Dr. F is preparing for us.
TOM: Quick, wipe it! Wipe it!
[Crow does so.]
ALL: Phew.
MIKE: They looked bad.
[Divers alarums.]
ALL: Argh!
[They enter the theatre and assume the positions.]
>Article 1850 of alt.sci.time-travel:
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>From: i17@netcom.com (ALYAN)
TOM: Hey, look everyone. It's ALYAN!
>Subject: My thoughts on Time.
CROW: This shouldn't take to long.
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MIKE: Try again, Crow.
>Sender: i17@netcom10.netcom.com
>
>
>I have a couple of questions.
CROW: So do I. Why am I having to suffer you?
>
>1. I am "convinced" that "time travel" is HOW IT WORKS.
TOM: Oooh. Nice question.
> So, it is not a matter of trying to figure out how to save Hiroshima,
> or postulate mechanisms to visit your greatgrandparents,
TOM: I wanna visit my greatgrandparents.
MIKE: Well, remember to postulate your mechanisms first.
> BUT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT how (what we want to call) TimeTravel
> is happening all the time.
CROW: WHY DOES HE SUDDENLY speak in a loud voice?
MIKE: He thinks we aren't listening to him?
CROW: But we aren't.
>
> Uh, as a question:
TOM: Finally. A question.
> Haven't you ever experienced thoughts in your own
> mind which did not logically follow from any past sequence of your
> thinking?
CROW: Like now? When none of your thoughts follow from nothing logical
whatsoever?
> Can you feel the difference between "trying" to figure out
> "how to timetravel" and simply realizing that "timetravel" is going
> on ALL THE (um) TIME.
CROW: I don't know. (um) Can I?
TOM: Is that an (um) question?
MIKE: It starts with (um) "Can you".
TOM: Yeah, but there's no (um) question mark.
MIKE: That's a pretty long way to go just for a little (um) grammer flame.
> It is literally a "change of heart" about this
> whole thing.
>
> Time Travel is not "Impossible".
> Time Travel is The Way It Works.
MIKE: Capitalisation: Your Guide To Avoiding Making Points.
>
>2. The MultiVerse model is very efficient in terms of "storage requirements":
> At a "decision point" (which I actually look at in terms of The Recognition
> Of A PENDING ISSUE... because the awareness of the existance of a CHOICE
> can be very subtle and such awareness can exist for a VERY LONG TIME before
> one actually commits to a decision one way or another... let alone ACTING
> (as opposed to "merely" mentally NOTICING!) according to the DECISION)
[Mike puts his finger up and traces the line across the screen, mouthing
the words.]
MIKE: Umm. Did anyone get that?
CROW: Nope.
TOM: Not a word.
>
> ...as I was saying, At a "decision point" (which is NOT tightly located in
> time, as per the above parenthetical diversion),
TOM: Argh! He's still going on about it! Make him stop!
[Mike pats Tom]
MIKE: There, there, Tom. It's not as bad as all that.
> the only Difference
> Between The Child-Universes is the (Binary? Spectrum-Like??) RESULT of the
> DECISION which spawns them.
TOM: Oo, oo. I think I have it. A DECISION, which may happen a LONG TIME
ago, spawns many Universes.
MIKE: No. It spawns EXACTLY the same Universes.
CROW: I think Alyan should STAY on his Medication.
>
> Jeez. I think it is important to stress!
MIKE: Exclamation marks!: Your Guide! To Stressing! In Really! Weird Ways!
CROW: I'm already far too stressed.
> that this "tree" of (binary??
> spectrum-like?? separation of)
TOM: I wish he'd make up his mind.
MIKE: I think his mind is just making this up.
CROW: I don't think he has a mind.
> daughter universes IS NOT tightly
> coupled to any "time" dimension in a clocklike sense...
> INSTEAD: navigation on this "tree(?)" is determined by the SET of
> DECISIONS which "address/identify/characterize" a given branch-point.
> "Mindset" as in Mind-settings, viewpoint-parameters, comes to mind.
TOM: AND NOW: reading this post is determined by a COMPLETE LUNY.
MIKE: who is known as "Doctor Forrestor/Dr. F/The Mad Scienist"
CROW: "Madman" as in irrational, hates us, comes to this man.
>
> This model seems so decoupled from the "standard" notion of clock-"time"
> that it becomes a good question to look at the SEQUENCE of decisions
> which got (gets!) one to a particular universe, its "decisional address",
> so to speak.
MIKE: So each universe had a "decisional address"?
TOM: Looks that way. I'd like to see the "I think I'll wear blue pants on
Tuesday" universe.
CROW: I'd like to see the "I think I'll wear no clothes today, as I am a
female" universe.
TOM: That was incredibly sexist, Crow.
CROW: Bite me.
>
> Is the
> TIME-ORDER (sequence)
> in which "one" (the universe-hopping mind)
> DECIDES == SELECTS among the Decision-Addressable-Universes
> is this ordering-in-time IMPORTANT?
CROW: Anyone?
MIKE: Is the time ordering in ordering-in-time important to selecting the
time ordering... ummm...
TOM: Is selecting time important in decisions, and does the order of
decisions in time... erm...
MIKE: Nope. He's got us.
>
> For example:
> Is there an * Important Difference * between
> FIRST
> CONVINCING ONESELF (uh, DECIDING) ((perhaps quite temporarily ... !))
TOM: Heaven forbid anything actually being permanent.
> that
> 1. "A BOOK'S COVER IS NOT IN ANY WAY RELATED TO ITS CONTENT."
> (...and all that this DECISION i-m-p-l-i-e-s...)
CROW: Let's SHOUT s-l-o-w-l-y.
> and then, SECOND, Deciding that
> 2. "THERE IS ONE, EXISTING, HIGHEST GOD WHO KNOWS ALL ABOUT ME."
> (...and all that this DECISION i-m-p-l-i-e-s...)
TOM&MIKE: YES! L-e-t-'-s.
>
> ... or doing it in the opposite order?
CROW: Over to you, Mike. Is believing in a god more important than
believing in a book?
MIKE: Important to what?
>
> Well, for one thing, look at the intermediate states involved,
> and then look at the moments-of-transition, during which one is
> probably feeling, throughout body and mind, and on the radio in his room,
> the effects of the ramifications of the Decisions being Made.
MIKE: So you can only decidion-travel if you're listening to a radio?
TOM: No, only if you're listening to a radio in *his* room.
>
> Certainly you have encountered people who haven't made an Important
> Decision in years... since they were in their late teens perhaps!
MIKE: [as husband] What shall we have for dinner tonight, honey?
CROW: [as wife] Gee, I haven't made a decision that big since I was 19.
> In a very real sense, such people are in suspended animation.
CROW: In a very real sense, you're mind is in suspended animation.
> Wierdly, the people with fixed Decisions seem to age faster, I think.
TOM: I think I'll have the chicken again tonight.
MIKE: My god, Tom. You've just aged 100 years!
> People whose Decision "tree" (location/settings) is free to morph
> as they see fit, well for one thing it is much harder to guess their ages.
CROW: I think I'll buy _Playboy_ instead of _Penthouse_, this week.
MIKE: I think I can guess _your_ age, Crow.
>
> "BUT WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH GOING BACK TO 1969 AND TAKING LSD
> WITH MY PARENTS?" (I wish!)
MIKE: Well, that's certainly what I'd first think of doing if I could
travel in time.
>
> Frankly I'm not exactly sure, you see, but there are timetravelling
> "angels" in my mind who have led me to write this, or should I say,
CROW: Or should I say, I've been listening to the voices in my head, and
I have no idea what any of this has to do with time travel, but I thought
I'd post anyway.
> I think that the whole way TIMETRAVEL is being looked at in this forum
> is blinding us guys to the actual nature of what our mind/s is/are doing,
> and to what we really WANT out of "timetravel".
TOM: Whereas them girls know exactly what they want out of "timetravel".
>
> For one thing, I think it is NECESSARY in looking at "actual" timetravel
> (having lunch with Cleopatra; joining in at Gettysburg) with a VERY
> flexible "Decision Tree", at least until a CORE DECISION BRANCH is reached
> which makes Timetravel feel less "impossible" to your heart.
TOM: If I didn't know better, I'd say this was Robert McElwaine posting
under a psudeonym.
CROW: What makes you think you know better?
> You can't
> achieve an "Understanding" of Timetravel if you carry around a DEEP-SEEDED
> (misspelling quite intended)
CROW: Abuse quite intended.
TOM: Y'know. Ratliff also apologises for his spelling mistakes.
MIKE: I don't think he considers this an unintentional mistake.
> belief/decision/fear/resignation/"sense"
> that you are trying to achieve something that "really doesn't happen"
> and that you are just "toying around with interesting (read go-nowhere)
> thought-pastries.
TOM: New 'thought-pastries'. Light and fluffy that really don't happen
and go-nowhere.
>
>3. People seemed to ignore the posting about Larry Niven's clue-drop, uh,
> I mean, science-fiction-story...
CROW: Larry Niven does not say the word of God.
> about how there may be an aspect to
> Time which manages to "minimize" the effects of certain decision and even
> actions.
TOM: Yes, you too can have your decisions and actions 'minimize'd.
CROW: Does that mean there'll be a little me running around deciding and
acting for me?
MIKE: <shudder> That doesn't bare thinking about.
>
> I have worked with graphics systems which draw "spline curves".
> In using these systems, the human artist/engineer adjusts a set of
> different types of "control points" which the System then obeys to
> slalom a nice curve into existence.
CROW: <as ABYAN> "And since I can draw nice curves, I now know everything
about time and space."
>
> A similar system could be used to write "novels":
TOM: How are "novels" different to novels?
MIKE: They're novel ABYAN-style!
> "This character needs to become a rich industrialist by the time
> World War 2 begins. He needs to marry the girl who steals the code
> machine for the British in chapter 17. His name needs to reflect his
> interest in building scale models of small New England towns."
TOM: This is how Tom Clancy got started.
>
> I hope by now you have developed the thought that perhaps we ourselves
> are living inside a really neat story(-line) generating system...
CROW: If so, we are now ready to begin. <evil laughter>
>
> ...which perhaps has a golf-course-like terrain of "necessary" events
> (and meta-events like "and here the media begins discussing the notion
> of a third sex in order to reify the concept of Thirdness"...)
> that, like powerful gravity-wells in story-plot-space, or like HOLE 14,
> MUST be dealt with before the "story" gets to HOLE 17...
TOM: First stories, now golf. ABYAN has a wide range of interests.
CROW: Why does the word "Acehole" come to mind?
>
>4. I touched on the idea of CORE DECISIONS above in a cuple of places.
CROW: And we're still trying to clena that mess up, thank you.
> Some decisions are more "central" than others, in that their ramifications
> include other, less "central" decisions.
TOM: Some decisions contain less important decisions, so they are more
important??
>
> It would be VERY INTERESTING to come up with a list (or map?) of
> these ISSUES. How many are there? What is their "structure"?
> Which is Numero Uno? Is there a small Elite clustering of VERY POWERFUL
> ISSUES?
CROW: I have enough trouble getting my issues of "Legion of Super Heroes"
into order.
>
> Take note that I want to treat these as ISSUES... to be used in
> navigating one's way through the structure they create/emanate/whatever.
TOM: They create!
CROW: They emanate!
MIKE: They whatever!
> Probably, Deciding CERTAIN Issues in one way INSTEAD OF in another way is
> necessary to "get to" universes in which one can time-travel... or
TOM: So, if you could redecide an old decision in another way, you'll end
up in another universe?
CROW: Yeah, but would anything really change?
MIKE: Nope.
> affect the story-writing machine... or make rubies appear in your pocket.
CROW: Well, not so much rubies as rubes.
>
>Well, I've said enough for one posting...
ALL: YAY!
>
>Ian Allen <i17@netcom.com>
>
>P.S. my favorite magic word is ALREADY.
CROW: My favourite magic word is BiteMe.
>BCNU
>
>
>
>
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ALL: <over-kill ROFTL>
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>From: rhb@IslandNet.com (RHB)
TOM: Yay! Another post form RHB!
MIKE: Tom, you are really sick.
>Newsgroups: alt.sci.time-travel
>Subject: 24th Message from Future
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:49:30 -0800
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>Message-ID: <rhb-3108951849300001
CROW: I'm not a number, I am a free being.
MIKE: I think that's been done before.
CROW: Well, I'm doing it again.
> @domville.islandnet.com>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: domville.islandnet.com
>
>The Messages from the Future can be obtained on the Web Page supplied to
>me by the mysterious four. Directions as follows.
>http://www.islandnet.com/~rhb/Future_Page.html
[Once again, our heroes try to hide the address]
>
>What follows is one of the eight messages that arrived during my stay in
>hospital. While I still remain in a convalescent ward, I have obtained
CROW: My driving license.
>the messages from my secretary and am releasing them to the various
>networks. My change of mind is directly related to a visit I have had by
>a rather serious young woman claiming to be the Pauline McKinnon from the
TOM: PMS Hit Squad.
MIKE: We're gonna get letters for that.
>"Messages From the Future". To make matters worse she was accompanied by
>Ms. JoJo Braun, the private detective I had the misfortune to hire. Ms.
>McKinnon spoke to me in lawyerly qualifications but her message was
>clear--disassociate myself entirely from the "Messages From the Future" or
CROW: <falsetto> Or not. I don't care.
>I would suffer consequences. Men of my generation did not back down from
>the Nazi brutes nor the military machine of the Japanese, I'll be damned
>if I'll be intimidated by a lawyer of all people. What follows is the
CROW: Putrid remains of my purile poetry I wrote while feeling
increadibly depressed.
TOM: That's dark, Crow. Keep it up.
>24th message from the future along with some comments my secretary somehow
>felt obliged to include. -- RHB --
>
>Here's another one of these messages from the four boys who say they're
>from the future. My, you boys do make Mr. B. mad. What I'd like to know
>is if you boys follow the soaps. I'd give my eye teeth to know if some of
>my favorite characters are going to come back.
TOM: Yep, if I had access to the future, the first thing I'd ask is how
some drivilling soap show is going.
> Don't go asking that
>Carlos fellow if you can do it--he sounds like a old stick in the mud. --
>Miss Dorothy Littlejohn
MIKE: <Minnewegean> Oh, that Carlos. He just ain't the barrel of monkeys
he used to be.
>
>Hey trogs--just to remind you--you're committing retro-crime. Even though
>reading our shit isn't illegal back in your time, if you know that it's
>gonna be illegal in the future, then the feds can convict of a retroactive
>crime--kinda like retroactive taxes.
TOM: But we don't have a choice! We're forced to read it!
MIKE: If we're lucky, the feds'll arrest Doctor Forrestor for us.
CROW: Yeah, but they'll probably leave us up here.
> Anyway, here are a couple of news
>stories curtesy of the MIT and CalTech brainoos--give you an idea of how
>the future ends up sucking the big one.
CROW: This is the sort of thing that happens after watching too much
"Weird Science".
>
>New York Times -- Nov. 25, 1998
>St. Paul Minnesota -- The Modern Language Association Committee on the
>Status of Women (MLACSW) announced today that over 90 % of the nation's
>university campuses have adopted into law their controversial guidelines
>for "intellectual harassment".
CROW: Bite me.
TOM: Duh... Are you harrassing me?
> Central to the guideline is that
>"intellectual harassment" is to be classified as a form of sexual
>harassment and offenders subject to the same penalties and sanctions as
>sexual harassers.
TOM: Hah! That'll teach you for calling me "annoying". You'll go to jail
for ten years!
> Intellectual harassment is to include: malicious humor
>directed at feminists and categorization of feminist works as narrow or
>propagandistic.
CROW: There goes alt.tasteless.
MIKE: As well as the rest of the net.
> The Committee meets in January of next year to consider
>whether criticism of the "intellectual harassment" guideline can be
>regarded as a form of sexual harassment.
TOM: So if people even criticise the "intellectual harrassment"
guideline, they can be had up for sexual harrassment?
CROW: That says a lot for sex lives in the future.
>
>Vancouver Sun -- Nov 13, 2004
>Vancouver, Canada -- The Greenpeace organization made public a new and
>alarming computer analysis of rapidly approaching global disaster.
CROW: It showed how fat Rosanne Barr would be by 2010.
>According to what Greenpeace claims to be a totally reliable computer
>model
CROW: Which they probably did on a Pentium.
MIKE: I think they might have newer computers by then.
CROW: Does that mean it gets any better?
> of the earth's weather and ecosystem, a crisis of staggering
>proportions is imminent. The computer data suggest that global warming
>and acid rain, the environmental crises of the 1970's, 80's and 90's, have
>combined to virtually cancel each other out. This has created a climate
>and environment of unprecedented stability or stagnation.
ALL: ARGH! Peace and goodwill is coming! Run away!
> Greenpeace
>scientists warn that the earth's ecosystem and lifeforms are in danger of
>"atrophying". The crucial process of species adaptation and natural
>selection require a hostile environment
TOM: So why don't they move into space? That's hostile enough.
> in order to maintain their
>vitality,
CROW: There's your answer, Tom. Ever tried-
MIKE: Enough, Crow. Don't remind me, okay?
> assert Greenpeace spokepersons. The environmental action group
>calls on government to avert the looming disaster with a total ban of
>fossil fuels.
TOM: Save disaster now, for a worse future for your children.
>
>So, like we said, we're in the underground arcade business now. It's
>wild.
MIKE: Those overgrown video machines are everywhere.
CROW: Let's see Darren Oswald get a highscore on them.
> Each inner city typically has like 2 or 3 main gangs and, of
>course, they each get a big piece of the arcade receipts. The money's a
>big motivator but probably knowing that the organized crime guys will wack
>em if they get out of line helps too.
TOM: Ah, the 'pay softly, but carry a large stick' routine.
> Anyway, we go into your average
>slum zone to set up an arcade and we have like 5 guys from each gang for
>bodyguards. Now, these guys hate each other and last week were probably
>trying to slit each other's throats,
CROW: Stick dynamite down each other's trousers, maybe, but slitting?
That's so passe.
> but now it's like there's some kind
>of professional gang psycho code of conduct.
CROW: <thick voice> You don't smash me with a ten pound sledge hammer,
and I wont smash you.
> They're looking at each
>other's pieces and trading tips on how to take down a convenience store.
>Anyway, it takes us about two weeks to set up a place and staff it. We
>devote half of each arcade to
CROW: Ross Perot.
MIKE: Ross Perot, everyone. Ross Perot.
<Round of applause>
> Guerrilla Gulag gaming rooms. These gang
>guys can't get enough of it. Each arcade is wired
TOM: So, be careful where you step.
> into the SplinterNet
>and we track each gamer's scores and stuff. This is Carlos's idea. He
>also has us put up a huge monitor to display the SplinterNet.
CROW: <bored voice> Gee, how original. It's only been done in about 500
movies!
> Anyway,
>after we got the first arcade in business for a few days and are about to
>move on to another site, Carlos comes on the monitor with his Charelton
>Heston/Moses avatar and starts speaking to all the gang guys.
CROW: "It was 'Thou Shalt _Not_ Kill', guys. Honest."
> He tells
>them to settle their disputes with honor using Guerrilla Gulag. The
>loser, Carlos says, will be subject to his sentencing.
TOM: Now there's someone who's been watching too much _Star Trek_.
> We think he's lost
>it but the gangs think it's the best thing since the invention of the
>Uzi.
CROW: Of course, we think they've lost it as well, but that's a minor point.
> So, Carlos/Charelton Heston/Moses starts sentencing the losers in
>the endless disputes to things like being a crossing guard for a month or
>being another gang's gofer
CROW: Come on, just one more piece of cheese.
MIKE: It's _gofer_, Crow.
CROW: Oh.
> for a week. By the time we move on to the next
>slum there hasn't been an incident of gang violence for a week, which is
>some type of all time record we're told. So, there you have it,
>trogs--violent videogames reduce violence. You heard it here first.
MIKE: Tell that to Parents Against Violence.
>
>
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>From: tomeleven@aol.com (TOM ELEVEN)
TOM: Cool name.
CROW: Suits an AOLer.
TOM: Hey.
>Newsgroups: alt.sci.time-travel
>Subject: Speculation On the Natures of Time and Kenetic Energy
ALL: <bored> Yay.
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CROW: I think I may go offline if I read this.
>
>
>
>
MIKE: At least the start's good.
>"Time", that is the future universe, lies in the DIRECTION of the 4th
>dimention. There is a different "universe" or "spacial" plane for each
>"instant" of time.
CROW: ARGH! ALYAN's back!
MIKE: Robert McElwaine has a lot to answer for.
> These are all "STACKED" in the direction of the 4 th
>dimention.
CROW: How many 'dimention's are there, Mike?
MIKE: I think demention is more appropriate.
> (it is easier to visulise if we use 2D planar universes) What
>we percieve as the passage of "Time" is actually our movement from one
>parallel plane to the other. (Not unlike the "frames" of a 3D" Movie or
>the pages in a book)
TOM: Time Theory #3.
MIKE: Who needs orignal ideas when you can endlessly rehash old ones?
> This Movement in the direction of the fourth dimention is a result of
>there being an INHERENT 4D element in matter, that is I am assuming that
>the most basic particles of matter possess a 4D "movement" or "impetus"
TOM: Yep, if you assume it's there, then it would have a result.
MIKE: But as it whether or not it is actually there... that's just a
minor technical flaw.
>vector that is carrying the "proto-particle" at .707 light speed in the
>fourth dimentional direction.
TOM: Any idea where he got one over root two from?
MIKE: Nope.
CROW: Is it just me, or he saying that everything that moves in time is
going at .7 the spped of light?
MIKE: Yep.
> There might be an energy conection here-- as what we might percieve
>as energy in our 3D world MAY be a factor of relative 4D vector angles
>inherent in matter .
MIKE: Then again, it MAY not. But as that would mean he's wrong, we'll
ignore that.
> If , for example, the 4D vectors of two "particles"
>are parallel as they cut through the"time planes". there will be no
>relative kenetic energy between them--They will appear at rest relative to
>each other. If there is a difference in vector angles then we will note a
>chage in distace (movement) between the particles as they cut thru each
>plane.(energy?) If this vector angle is greater, then the relative
>movement will be greater. Perhaps energy is really due to relative 4D
>vector angles?
TOM: He's actually arguing backwards, isn't he? He's trying to explain
relativity in terms of his 'time vectors' and kinetic energy.
MIKE: At least he's trying to fit the theory to the facts.
> Note also that as the angles increase(speed increase) one particle
>may tend to lag back timewise as the time planes are cut.(time dilation
>effect?)
CROW: He doesn't really know, does he? That's why he keeps putting "?"s in.
TOM: Never stopped people before.
> note at a 90 degree 4D vector angle" time stands still" for one
>particle relative to the other as one is traveling BETWEEN time planes
>relative to the other. also note that thier relative speed is c.
TOM: If everything travels at .7c, and using Pythagasorus to work out the
relative speed...mutter mutter... yes, you do get c!
CROW: IF everything travels at .7c, and IF one of the vectors are
perpendicular to the time planes.
> If the
>vector angle is greater than 90 deg., then one particle moves BACKWARD in
>time relative to the other.
CROW: He can't even think in simplified 3D models, can he?
> Interesting how this set up yeilds the time effects described in the
>theory of relativity, of course this explanation is highly simplfied, but
>I hope you see my point. Perhaps I am on to something.
CROW: _On_ something, I'd agree with.
>
>------]----]------ t3 note parallel vectors- no relative particle
>------]----]-------t2 movement in time planes
>------]----]------ t2 vectors move thru planes(t1,t2,t3) at
>------]----]-------t1 .707c(cos 45 deg)
TOM: Umm, what's travelling at 45 degress there?
CROW: His mind to reality, I'd say.
>
>
>
>-----]------------ t3 angled vectors-note movement
>-----]---/-------- t2 from plane to plane also note time lag
>-----] /--------- t1
CROW: Also note exaggerated vectors to try to portray failing ideas.
>
>-----[--------- t3 at 90deg one particle stops moving
>-----]===== t2 relative to other particle relative speed of
>-----]---------- t1 vector movement=c, rel energy at maximum
TOM: A non-moving particle is travelling at the speed of c?
>
>Note that this "theory" is presented in a highly simplified form so as to
>clearly convey the basic concept. Please limit your comments and/or
>flames re: to the basic arrangement described here.
CROW: Heh. Flame on.
TOM: Basically, the theory was contrived and had little or no relevance
to kinetic energy.
MIKE: Well, that was easy.
> (Yes I know I did not
>discuss the source of these time planes--et al. but I did not want to make
>the subject more complex than it needed to be)
>
>tomeleven@aol.com(Thomas M. Ray)
>
TOM: That's it. Let's roll!
[Mike picks up Tom and all leave.]
[Door sequence, door sequence.]
[Mike and Tom can be seen. They are examing their "Orac".]
MIKE: So, what exactly does this thing do?
TOM: As far as I can tell, it blinks prettily.
MIKE: No time travel prospects?
TOM: Get real Nelson.
[Crow comes on from the left.]
MIKE: Hi, Crow. No hard feelings about before?
CROW: Huh, what?
TOM: The time travel trick.
CROW: That? That was years ago. I'm from the future where I got Time
Travel to work.
MIKE: We've already tried that.
[Crow comes on from right.]
SECOND CROW: Hey, who's that? What am I doing there?
MIKE&TOM: Huh? Who? What?
[Mike and Tom collapse.]
[The second Crow blinks out, and Gypsy comes on.]
CROW: That's Gyspy. I didn't know you had that hologrammatic projector.
GYSPY: It's not something I talk about. I only used it now 'cos revenge
is fun.
[Mike and Tom groan, then reappear.]
CROW: That'll teach you, Nelson.
[The MADS light flashes. Mike pushes the button.]
[DEEP 13]
DR. F: Hah. I've got you know. Despite your petty attempts I got the
address of the "Messages From The Future" home page, and am now ready to
subject them to you.
[SOL]
[All collapse without a word.]
[DEEP 13]
DR. F: Till the pain returns.
[He pushes the button.]
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